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		<title>By: I keep thinking that I want to be part of a High Bar group, that I can’t do this on my own, that I can’t live a High Bar life until I have a group who is committed to live the same way. I look at&#8230; - Quaker Ranter &#8211; Quaker Ranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>I keep thinking that I want to be part of a High Bar group, that I can’t do this on my own, that I can’t live a High Bar life until I have a group who is committed to live the same way. I look at&#8230; - Quaker Ranter &#8211; Quaker Ranter</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] I look at&#8230; Oct 29th, 2008 by Martin Kelley.  // nRelate.domain = &quot;www.quakerranter.org&quot;; //Aj reaches for the &#8220;High Bar&#8221;  /**/ Share this:EmailFacebookPosted in: Tumbled.  &#8592; Invisible Quaker Misfits Client site [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ravine of Light &#187; Best Posts of 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Missional Tribe</title>
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		<title>By: Aj Schwanz &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Get.In.The.Boat.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aj Schwanz &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Get.In.The.Boat.</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] you so much for your comments, affirmations, noticings, and heartful desires on living a high bar life.  Today I felt that another little piece of the puzzle was discovered, though I don&#8217;t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Mohr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Mohr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should trust yourself on this one. Your desire for a &quot;high-bar&quot; life is real and honorable. And it seems like the other commenters would agree.

Yet I would also like to offer a term that I first heard from a friend of mine who practices Sikhism. He said that in Sikhism (and Hinduism) there is a term called &quot;householder.&quot; This term designates the phase of life when people are called to live &quot;ordinary&quot; lives (raise families, keep a home whether it be a house or an apartment, perhaps deal with aging parents). It is a recognized part of the spiritual path. 

One of the tragedies of Jesus&#039;s life to me is that he died so young, that he never had a chance to enflesh for us what living in the Kingdom of God looks like when your child is hungry and whiny, or has a wet bed, or has a runny nose and a fever, or needs to be driven to school. How do we follow Him in those situations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should trust yourself on this one. Your desire for a &#8220;high-bar&#8221; life is real and honorable. And it seems like the other commenters would agree.</p>
<p>Yet I would also like to offer a term that I first heard from a friend of mine who practices Sikhism. He said that in Sikhism (and Hinduism) there is a term called &#8220;householder.&#8221; This term designates the phase of life when people are called to live &#8220;ordinary&#8221; lives (raise families, keep a home whether it be a house or an apartment, perhaps deal with aging parents). It is a recognized part of the spiritual path. </p>
<p>One of the tragedies of Jesus&#8217;s life to me is that he died so young, that he never had a chance to enflesh for us what living in the Kingdom of God looks like when your child is hungry and whiny, or has a wet bed, or has a runny nose and a fever, or needs to be driven to school. How do we follow Him in those situations?</p>
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		<title>By: Jami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the past 30 years I have had the desire to live in that type of community. My former spouse, who died 5 years ago, and I were part of two groups over the years who tried unsuccessfully to start a co-housing community. One group met for about 2 to 3 years. In the end, people didn’t have the will, perseverance, stamina and whatever else it might have taken to jump through all the hoops necessary to live in proximity which, I believe, is the only way to be really supportive of each other in the “ways that are eternal”. Meeting once a week just does not foster the deep knowing of each other’s spirit. I think now that the only community that I may someday inhabit will be the old folk’s home. I am left wondering why I was given such a strong and enduring desire for community, but way never opened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past 30 years I have had the desire to live in that type of community. My former spouse, who died 5 years ago, and I were part of two groups over the years who tried unsuccessfully to start a co-housing community. One group met for about 2 to 3 years. In the end, people didn’t have the will, perseverance, stamina and whatever else it might have taken to jump through all the hoops necessary to live in proximity which, I believe, is the only way to be really supportive of each other in the “ways that are eternal”. Meeting once a week just does not foster the deep knowing of each other’s spirit. I think now that the only community that I may someday inhabit will be the old folk’s home. I am left wondering why I was given such a strong and enduring desire for community, but way never opened.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is yep yep yep. This is what a lot of us are looking for. I know people who have gotten burnt out from the &quot;High Bar&quot; communities and their all-consumingness and yes, the grass is greener, but we should be aiming a lot higher than the sort of hour-a-week church that passes for committed these days. Radical and ordinary don&#039;t really need to be mutually exclusive. I&#039;ve lived in tight, committed communities and it&#039;s not that hard if enough people are doing it with you.

This summer I came to the realization that the Friends Meeting I commuted to was too far for me to be really involved and also too one-hour centric. Despite being in a Quaker-heavy geographic area, there&#039;s not even a middling-bar Friends group in even moderately-close distance and if there&#039;s a non-Quaker Christian group I don&#039;t know of them. So this is our challenge perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is yep yep yep. This is what a lot of us are looking for. I know people who have gotten burnt out from the &#8220;High Bar&#8221; communities and their all-consumingness and yes, the grass is greener, but we should be aiming a lot higher than the sort of hour-a-week church that passes for committed these days. Radical and ordinary don&#8217;t really need to be mutually exclusive. I&#8217;ve lived in tight, committed communities and it&#8217;s not that hard if enough people are doing it with you.</p>
<p>This summer I came to the realization that the Friends Meeting I commuted to was too far for me to be really involved and also too one-hour centric. Despite being in a Quaker-heavy geographic area, there&#8217;s not even a middling-bar Friends group in even moderately-close distance and if there&#8217;s a non-Quaker Christian group I don&#8217;t know of them. So this is our challenge perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Mohr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Mohr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own metaphor for this feeling is from When Harry Met Sally. Some people want high maintenance religion, and others want low maintenance. If I don&#039;t want to reference a chick flick, I use cars. If you want high performance religion, it will be high maintenance. 

One Friend I know has just made it a priority to put whatever is happening at our meeting first on his calendar. Even if he doesn&#039;t think he&#039;ll like it much, he goes. He participates. He is a blessing to whatever group is meeting, and any leader. He himself is not very high maintenance in the WHMS sense, but he is willing to put himself out there. That might be one step towards faithfulness for you, but it&#039;s trickier with kids.

I sometimes say I already live in community. A community where half the people are not really pulling their weight in the housekeeping or emotional maintenance departments. But I am here, picking up the slack. Does that count as community service?

Communities like the ones you listed come with benefits and a price. You have to give up other things, and so do all the people who come with you. What things, and often it is literally things but sometimes it&#039;s more like privacy, would you like to or be willing to give up, if you had support?

Have you heard about The Compact? The no buying anything new for a year project? I&#039;ve known a couple of people who&#039;ve done it, both with a local group and with a blog group. Would there be a small group in your church that would like to try something like that? 

The main point I think is that there will never be a large group that even wants to set the bar as high as you (or me). An even smaller group will really do it. You and Jason and one other family might be all you can find in your neck of the woods. It&#039;s enough to start.

May God continue to bless you with questions and courage and a hunger for righteousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own metaphor for this feeling is from When Harry Met Sally. Some people want high maintenance religion, and others want low maintenance. If I don&#8217;t want to reference a chick flick, I use cars. If you want high performance religion, it will be high maintenance. </p>
<p>One Friend I know has just made it a priority to put whatever is happening at our meeting first on his calendar. Even if he doesn&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll like it much, he goes. He participates. He is a blessing to whatever group is meeting, and any leader. He himself is not very high maintenance in the WHMS sense, but he is willing to put himself out there. That might be one step towards faithfulness for you, but it&#8217;s trickier with kids.</p>
<p>I sometimes say I already live in community. A community where half the people are not really pulling their weight in the housekeeping or emotional maintenance departments. But I am here, picking up the slack. Does that count as community service?</p>
<p>Communities like the ones you listed come with benefits and a price. You have to give up other things, and so do all the people who come with you. What things, and often it is literally things but sometimes it&#8217;s more like privacy, would you like to or be willing to give up, if you had support?</p>
<p>Have you heard about The Compact? The no buying anything new for a year project? I&#8217;ve known a couple of people who&#8217;ve done it, both with a local group and with a blog group. Would there be a small group in your church that would like to try something like that? </p>
<p>The main point I think is that there will never be a large group that even wants to set the bar as high as you (or me). An even smaller group will really do it. You and Jason and one other family might be all you can find in your neck of the woods. It&#8217;s enough to start.</p>
<p>May God continue to bless you with questions and courage and a hunger for righteousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it interesting how Jesus&#039; words resonate with us individually in different ways, but always speaking truth?  I can identify with your struggle to rely with complete confidence on God&#039;s provision in every aspect of life.  Perhaps for each of us there are areas we naturally trust him in, and other areas we find more difficult to trust him in.  And every now and then we are struck with how little control we actually have over our lives, and how grateful we are that God DOES have control.  One other thought:  just because we need and value community does not mean the voice of our community supercedes the voice of God you are personally hearing.  Hopefully, the community will confirm to you what you hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it interesting how Jesus&#8217; words resonate with us individually in different ways, but always speaking truth?  I can identify with your struggle to rely with complete confidence on God&#8217;s provision in every aspect of life.  Perhaps for each of us there are areas we naturally trust him in, and other areas we find more difficult to trust him in.  And every now and then we are struck with how little control we actually have over our lives, and how grateful we are that God DOES have control.  One other thought:  just because we need and value community does not mean the voice of our community supercedes the voice of God you are personally hearing.  Hopefully, the community will confirm to you what you hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same conversation in my head/heart every so often.  It&#039;s not necessarily nagging at me constantly because I&#039;m good enough to stuff many, many emotions/thoughts but every now and then, it gurgles back up and I have to acknowledge it.  
Would my life be any different really?  Or would it just look different on the outside, and I&#039;d continue to have the same struggles on the inside?  Thanks for blogging...punk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same conversation in my head/heart every so often.  It&#8217;s not necessarily nagging at me constantly because I&#8217;m good enough to stuff many, many emotions/thoughts but every now and then, it gurgles back up and I have to acknowledge it.<br />
Would my life be any different really?  Or would it just look different on the outside, and I&#8217;d continue to have the same struggles on the inside?  Thanks for blogging&#8230;punk.</p>
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